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Town Hall Danger...Sick, Scared, Irrational people are dangerous.

Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:32 AM EDT

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By Taxinum2wice

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Do you think the likelyhood of violence at town halls are more probable than normal?

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In general, people that are sick and down on their luck, maybe recently unemployed or afraid that they my lose their home or unemployment benefits, possibly facing an increase in taxes and can not get answers to their questions pose an extraordinarily high risk of being dangerous.

Persons that are distraught and facing these issues who may simply just want answers to some of their questions or maybe wanting to share their story and get help, find themselves greeted by an angry mob who doesn't care to hear about what they are experiencing could be a potential ticking time bomb. The people that are already on the fringe of society and would not be particularly concerned about hurting someone else as a means of being heard.

Does anyone remember the shooting death in Washington, DC of the security guard as he simply opened the door for a perceived visitor to the Holocaust museum for someone on the fringe? This is only an example of what can go wrong as the right extreme right media and politicians continue to stoke the flames of division and lies about any proposed health care reform.

I urge everyone attending town hall meetings to be on your guard and watch for anyone that may appear to show symptoms of being distraught or even silent. Some members of society attending the meetings and have legitimate concerns about health care may be taking prescription medication and consider an act of violence if for nothing else but to steal the spotlight with the chance of becoming a celebrity.

Please share these thoughts with your friends or neighbors who may be considering attending these meetings.

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Some of the people are sick that attend these meetings. Some take off just to be heard. If thos people feel slighted or threatend, they can hurt others. I feel it is coming soon.

4 votes

#1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:59 AM EDT

About the only thing the GOP is good at is mustering false enthusiasm for their worthless causes. They are becoming as useless as the rallies you see in the islamic country's supporting the repressive governments.

7 votes

#1.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:47 AM EDT

Tell that to the Union thugs and socialist party members.

4 votes

#1.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:55 AM EDT

Will do, but we will not see them at the townhalls.

3 votes

#1.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:05 AM EDT

no you will just see them out side town hall meeting and election booths.

4 votes

#1.4 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 AM EDT

Wow! What an amazing amount of fear-mongering you managed to put into this one little thread.

I agree completely! Watch out for anyone in the crowd who seems to actually believe the health care plan is a good thing!! They are mentally unstable and prone to violence!!!!

#1.5 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:56 PM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

Ummm, just a thought there, you might want to check out the video of the of thetown hall meeting last week where the SEIU UNION thugs in St. Louis, MO attempted to keep people OUT of the meeting and consequently roughed up some people.

Here's the link:

http://www.breitbart.tv/st-louis-town-hall-turmoil-were-protesters-barred-as-union-members-entered/

If anything is more "UN-AMERICAN", as Nancy P describes those who are confronting their representatives, it is the fact that union thugs are being brought in to intimidate and boot out constituents at these meetings and stifling their right to ask question and in some cases, protest their frustration with their appointed elected officials, and in the process hurting and injuring people. What's American about that, pray tell?

2 votes

#1.6 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:05 AM EDT

That's kind of like saying "cute, cuddly, radioactive bunnies are dangerous". Irrationality is dangerous...period.

7 votes

#2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:56 AM EDT

Keep an open mind and decide for your self. Nothing ever turns out as good as you think it should nor as bad as you fear it might. Bad part about it sometimes it is better and worse.

3 votes

#2.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:49 AM EDT

Well, they really are. But these bunnies have the capability of thinking for themselves and killing other bunnies like themselves.

6 votes

#2.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:07 AM EDT

Flat out. No question about it. And it kills people. Even rational people kill people. George Bush did it.

4 votes

#2.3 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:00 AM EDT

Uncertainty can lead people to do things that they would normally not consider doing. When people are fearful also, this uncertainty is magnified. When they feel threatened on top of everything else, all heck can break loose. Politicians know this and make use of it.

Thanks for a thought provoking article, Taxinum2wice.

5 votes

#3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:43 AM EDT

I think you're right. Every day we hear we are in the new Great Depression, worst in 50+ years and people are scared and more than 8 million are recently unemployed. But congress puts in for $500,000,000 of new luxury jets - same brand the warped CEOs flew to congress to explain their failed business.

When are people going to wake up?? New King same as the Old King.

3 votes

#3.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:36 AM EDT

Thank you, I just thought that some people may overlook this and think that most people just want to rant. In many cases, it is far wors than that. Especially when you consider all the homeless and recently disillusioned pepole out with nothing better to wo with their time. The would love to be famous if even for a few days. This has the potential to be dangerous.

3 votes

#3.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:10 AM EDT

GREAT POST TopJedi..............And there really IS no difference in the 2 administrations, after all the lame campaign promises began dropping like flies from day 1, it's business as usual in the White House only it's getting worse by the day. I mean, less than a year in office and already over 3 trillion in spending?!?!?!?!?

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE...........................

1 vote

#3.3 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:36 AM EDT

Thank you Deb. I think some may have began to forget that these people are seiniors and sick people that are worried about their healthcare. I have seen them, it is obvious that some of them are on medication.

2 votes

#3.4 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:02 AM EDT

TheEarthIsNotMyMother

there's an easy way to solve all this... our congressmen/women should actually READ AND DEBATE the entire bill before its voted on....afterall, it doesn't take affect until 2013 (coincidence? I think not...) so they have a few years to debate it.

3 votes

#4 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:50 AM EDT

Whether or not it is read, it is the inciting language used by networks such as Fox news that fosters these thoughts.

5 votes

#4.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 AM EDT

TheEarthIsNotMyMother

debate the bill and let the people decide based on the debates... sounds pretty simple. why the rush? can any libs answer that? WHY THE RUSH? WHY NO DEBATE?

2 votes

#4.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:49 PM EDT

TheEarthIsNotMyMother

taxi--are you suggesting we shut up the dissenters? Our founders would be so proud of you...... not.

3 votes

#4.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:55 PM EDT

No, openly discuss. Just not yell and scream and not shup up anyone else.

2 votes

#4.4 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:04 AM EDT

I've heard of 2 Town Hall meetings were there was violence. Both times the violence was perpetuated by left-wingers.

Last night heard an interview with a camera man about one that happen in the past few days. Security provided by the Plumbers Union beat up a man with cancer.

The other one was the guy was the one handing out "Don't Tread on Me" merchandise. And was called the "N" word and had the crap beaten out of him by another left-wing back Union. Can't remember the name but maybe someone could help me or if it is that big of an issue I'll go look it up later.

2 votes

#5 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:07 AM EDT

Olberman reported a gun left a town meeting somewhere also last week. This is getting ugly. However, some politition have tried to tamp it down, it is similar to attempting to cork a dam.

3 votes

#5.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:13 AM EDT

Even though I'm a gun owner with a concealed weapon permit, I agree that is not the time to be packing. Accidents can happen leave it in the car.

4 votes

#5.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:48 AM EDT

Good Man.

4 votes

#5.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT

Dave - Twin Cities

We are now seeing the REAL reason President Obama wanted the Health Care Reform bill rammed through before the August break ...

He knew the truth would come out sooner or later. Passing it before August would seal the deal before the voting public could be informed and heard.

Now OUR representatives are refusing to hear from us. Good luck with that tactic. 2010 isn't that far away. Note to representatives ... Either hear us and represent us or find a new job!

3 votes

#6 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:18 AM EDT

I agree that it would have been a mistake to do it so soon. I hink he was trying to hit a milestone. He certainly knew this sort of thing would happen. I believe he knew it could not happen but he wanted to begin the dialouge before winter began.

1 vote

#6.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:25 AM EDT

Dave

The GOP should change tactics before it's to late for them.

7 votes

#6.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:10 AM EDT

Dave - Twin Cities

The GOP should change tactics before it's to late for them.

What would you suggest ... Just bend over and take it as Obama, Pelosi, Franks, Dodd, and Reid keep ramming it to Americans?

3 votes

#6.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:19 AM EDT

No, but they should really know who is really ramming it to us. Here is the most important 6 minutes of your life. This is who is taking advantage of you.

http://www.insurancenewsnet.org/html/insurance-videos/2009/0811/Rachel-Maddow--Health-Insurance-Profits-Soar-.html

3 votes

#6.4 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:21 AM EDT

Dave - Twin Cities

Didn't watch the video (blocked at work), but can tell where it's headed based on the link. I won't disagree with that, but think it's a little more complicated that one would thing. I will share my doctor's answer ...

We need get the insurance companies off the trading floor on Wall Street in order to bring down costs. By being on Wall Street, the primary motivation is share price and shareholder dividends, which drives up costs of medical care.

I don't necessarily disagree with his view. Although, I would add that someone would still own those companies and there will be a desire to show a profit for those owners. But, he may be on to something if the number of owners is reduced significantly.

Of course Obama and Congress's answer to that is to put it all in governments hands, thus removing the profiteering. Of course, they don't tell you that the cost is still going to be astronomical because of the added number of people receiving health care and not paying into the system.

Will add one more variable to the equation ... Tort reform. I heard a statistic several weeks ago that stated that 15% of all medical costs are CYA procedures to "paper the file". This is being down, not out of necessity, but for the protection of the doctor and clinic in the event a law suit if filed.

Obviously, if something goes wrong, there needs to be a system to compensate the patient. But frivolous law suits are a big piece of medical costs in America. Simply implementing a "loser pays" program would reduce those suits dramatically.

3 votes

#6.5 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:54 AM EDT

Now that I agree with 100% I do think that Dr.s get the shaft at times. Tort reforme has to be a part of the regulation. Basically the video says that profits rose 426% in 7 years to 12Billion dollars and 18% of americans lost health care during the same period.

Nothing wrong with making money but at the expense of killing people is another matter. Or letting them die. And then to be non-abortion supporters to boot.

1 vote

#6.6 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

just a question there for you. what did you mean by this statement?

I agree that it would have been a mistake to do it so soon. I hink he was trying to hit a milestone

Seriously? Are you saying that this President is more interested in his legacy and hitting a "milestone" than in getting legislation done correctly? Surely, you can't be serious? Yet, I do remember reading this - Obama to the Democrats when the bill wasn't going to get done on his timeline: "your are going to dsestroy MY presidency." I guess you may be right, it is all about Obama and his legacy.

Here's the link:

http://www.sodahead.com/news/8419/obama-to-dems-you-are-going-to-destroy-my-presidency/?page=7

#6.7 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:19 AM EDT

The GOP should change tactics before it's to late for them.

Just like the democrats should as well............BOTH PARTIES suck right about now, period. The dems are no better than the repubs, sometimes worse.

Time for a new party, "THE CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY"....................

Remember that little piece of paper.............becuase neither the dems nor the repubs do

2 votes

#6.8 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:41 AM EDT

Dave - Twin Cities

Basically the video says that profits rose 426% in 7 years to 12Billion dollars

Need to be careful when using such numbers. Having a profit of $1 this year and $426 in seven years is a 426% increase. But what isn't told in your statement is what was the revenue associated with the increase.

Did revenues increase 426% as well? If so, then the profit percentage was the same for both years used in the comparison.

Also, what revenue needed to be recognized to realize a profit of $12B? Sure, $12B is a big number, but if the actual percent profit is 1% (revenues = $1.2T), that's not a very profitable company/industry.

We all like to see greater than 5%, ideally 8% or more, return on our investment. So ... If $12B equates to anything less than 5, or you could argue 8, percent profit, then this is simply propaganda intended to mislead the reader of the information.

Point is ... Big numbers are impressive and often used to scare people. Until you "normalize" the data, it's really meaningless.

1 vote

#6.9 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT

Very good point. I will keep that in mind. Thanks for crunching the numbers. Here is a numbr for you. The CEO of United healthcare earned 106,000 and hour last year. Period.

2 votes

#6.10 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT

Dave - Twin Cities

Won't argue on the compensation issue. It does seem way to high for some at the top of some of these organizations. We could throw professional athletes into the same mix. Thing is, that all has to go through a similar "normalization" that I spoke of in the previous post. If it's out of line with what we think it should be, that's one thing. But if it's in/out of line with other compensation packages of similar size/types of companies in this global economy, that's another.

In a sense, it comes down to the negotiating skill of the person, or agent, that affects the final numbers and what a company feels that person adds to the bottom line of the organization. I do trust that someone is doing the math and saying, Joe/Jane CEO is worth every penny of the compensation we give him/her. e.g. Their leadership and guidance has increased revenues xxx% and profits equally, thus, they have earned this huge compensation package.

Ultimately there is a Board of Directors, and in some cases a group of shareholders, that signs off on those compensation packages. Of course, they are often benefactors in the deal too.

And, to be honest, I don't know what the answer is. I don't think that it's government intervention though. Typically, market forces should take care of it just fine. e.g. If there is enough competition in the system, health-care for example, it should force reasonable compensation packages in order for the company to remain competitive.

#6.11 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT

This is where the problem is. Again, crunching the numbers.

http://www.insurancenewsnet.org/html/insurance-videos/2009/0811/Rachel-Maddow--Health-Insurance-Profits-Soar-.html

1 vote

#6.12 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT

taxinum2wice, your article brings home the notion that people are really getting riled up at the town hall meetings centering on proposed health care legislation. Your article also beats around the bush while never seeing the forest for the trees. The real news, the real concerns, the real anxiety before the people is not medical care. These town hall responses prove that something more than health care is being debated. Your article has given me much reason to think and to try to understand what is really going on here. As soon as I can figure out what I really think is happening I will be writing a Newsvine article on it. Your article has given me inspiration. Thank you. And thanks for being here.

3 votes

#7 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT

Please do. I thought I kinda got lazy also on the article. Besides, it was late. I would love to see your article once it is completed.

2 votes

#8 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:40 AM EDT

In progress, current meeting with Alen Specter and upcoming Obama meeting will provide me input. Thanks. Will link in my article to yours since your provided my source of energy. Thanks.

3 votes

#8.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:11 AM EDT

Looking forward to it. I have sent you a friend request.

1 vote

#9 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT

Friend, you are fast. Keep on keeping on.

1 vote

#9.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:30 AM EDT

You are not so bad yourself. This is what happens when you work for yourself and have nothing better to do.. LOL

1 vote

#10 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:35 AM EDT

ScienceGuy-356641

Are some of the anti-reform protesters genuinely fearful of health care reform? No doubt.

The fear is real, but it is the result of misinformation being deliberately and maliciously disseminated by the health insurance industry via lobbyists, pundits, and Republican political leaders. This self-serving, greed-obsessed industry has invested a great deal of money and energy into assuring that little meaningful discussion takes place at any of the town hall meetings which are intended to allow concerned citizens to ask questions and get substantive answers from their elected officials.

4 votes

#11 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:37 PM EDT

That is exactly right ScienceGuy. You put it all in a nutshell.

#11.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT

Well put, you can be my commentator anyday. LOL

#11.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:47 PM EDT

TheEarthIsNotMyMother

scienceguy, simple solution--our congress needs to debate this bill before its voted on. they need to read this bill before its voted on. Alot of "misinformation" might be explain if they would, er, explain it. Red flags go up when our government wants to rush something through NOW that won't even take affect until after the next presidential election (coincidence?)... what's the rush?

2 votes

#11.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:52 PM EDT

Good Point. You are absolutely right. But should'nt people have the same right to debate it and not argue about it with their elected officials. Without guns or threats.

1 vote

#11.4 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT

Science, here is the reason why they are so afraid. The devil is in the details.

http://www.insurancenewsnet.org/html/insurance-videos/2009/0811/Rachel-Maddow--Health-Insurance-Profits-Soar-.html

#11.5 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT

TheEarthIsNotMyMother

BO needs to distance himself from the man who is advising him on health care: Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm's bro). This man is SICK, SICK, SICK. He's got lots of "nazi-esqe" ideas for cutting costs of health care. some of them can be found in his article for the Department of Ethics here:http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

1 vote

#12 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:54 PM EDT

Proudindependent

Are you thinking about Dick Cheney? not Emanuel right?

1 vote

#12.1 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT

It gotta be Cheny, and Nixon too. Have they hear the nixon tapes on Healthcare reegarding Kaiser when this entire mess began?

#12.2 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT

I offer this for your rationality. Go to your local state government website and investigate the requirements for running for office. For US Congressman in PA it actually says that if you are unable to raise 1 million dollars for your campaign you are most likely wasting your time (Cliff noted of course). So where do you think they get this money to campaign with, and what do they have to do to repay this? Since nobody gives money away for free these days! Government is broken... End of Story! We are a society of peasants, knights and lords, and the knights pay starts at about $275,000 per year... Lords... 10 million or more! Only disclaimer... Athletes are automatically peasants no matter the salary...

1 vote

#13 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:51 PM EDT

Great point. I can go forever on conspiracy theroies but this is a great point. I have know for some time that money buys influence. But how do you explain that President Obama got 180 million last year from healthcare industry. Someone should be fired. Or, maybe he was ujust honest and they never thought he would be able to get it done and just gave the money anyway so they would not be viewed as partisant.

#14 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:07 PM EDT

My point obviously is that it doesn't matter who the politician is, or what party they use hypocrisy from... They are all corrupt!

#15 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:09 PM EDT

Not that I agree. The bad part is that we never have a way to know it until they run all the pretty ads about family and fighting for us. In all reality, I think they are just lazy and would rather have people and corporations send them money.

1 vote

#15.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:53 PM EDT

Inconsistencies and errors are hurting the President's message.

Obama says repeatedly he does prefer Single Provider System (From Obama website) http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/21/fact_check_obama_consistent_in.php

Rep Lee demonstrating bad form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L3FnWNkIzU

Obama using the analogy of FedEx / UPS compared to Gov Post Office http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/11/obamacare-the-post-office-of-health-care-plans/

Obama contradicting himself on single Gov provider http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/11/president-obama-contradicts-senator-obama/

From Salon Magazine : Obamas Healthcare Horror http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

If you didn't have some legitimate concerns just watching the marketing of this bill, I would be genuinely surprised.

1 vote

#15.2 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT

He has some major issues with it. But remember, this was not writrten by the President. There are republican ideas here as well.

#15.3 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:27 PM EDT

Malcom X AMERICAN

I love being an american- Any american who want's to wear a gun on his hip has a right too do so. But there is a flip side too wearing a gun on your hip in the area that the leadership of this nation are holding meeting!! Police and Secret Service should treat that person as a threat and any movement by that person to touch or grab the gun should be instant death! The public has a right to own guns,but in america many nuts have used guns to kill people in malls-universities-schools,and if those nuts are aloud soon town hall meeting. Come on fight me on this,and when you see a story about some american seeing if he still has the right to bear arm and he does don't say you want your country back [it's still here!!] A Bi Racial President protect every americans right as we see, This american wasn't arrested for wearing a firer arm by President Obama's storm troopers because there are no Obama storm troopers just working men and women who happen to wear uniforms of this nation.

3 votes

#16 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:58 PM EDT

He is such a loon. Chris shut him down when he tried to use the show as a platform. NOT!!! he called him a fool with a DAMN GUN. LOL

2 votes

#16.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:54 PM EDT

Malcom X AMERICAN

What does happen when a person shows up with a gun around presidents! History records attemps to shoot them or killed them! Brady bill- thank you for your comments Good Day

2 votes

#16.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:04 PM EDT

Aparently, They are able to go on TV and become a celebrity for 15 minutes and whine about losing his rights and basically talk so the entire world can see just how stupid he actually is.

3 votes

#16.3 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT

Malcom X AMERICAN

But he hasn't lost his right too bear arms! Wasn't arrested just watched think too many White americans are going overboard with[ I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK] please were has it gone? Senate is still all white! Heads of this nation's military are all White! Most or all Governors are all White! Were in the hell has America gone? Oh i forgot a half white man is President, He's not just black he just got a better tan than most whites at the beach or tanning booth's.

1 vote

#16.4 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT

Not to mention Wallstreet, the Healt Care CEO's bank owners, Where does it end. They feel they are losing because it is a Black at the helm. No one noticed they were losing the country for the last 8 years. WOW. Go figure.

#16.5 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:30 PM EDT

I think the author is correct to advise people to be aware of personal safety at these meetings.

I think that the statistical percentage of crazy people involved (or overly involved) in the political process is pretty constant. That is, there are no more political whack jobs today than eighty years ago or one-hundred-and-twenty years ago. Crazy is constant.

However, I will say this . . . the technological revolution has ensured that every crazy person has a relatively cheap and effective way to express his or her political views. If you will, crazy has been amplified and distributed to our living rooms at an unprecedented level giving the appearance of "more" crazy people, when in actuality it is just "more" noise.

1 vote

#17 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:29 PM EDT

Thank you. "crazy is constant" I like that. I just cannot see a commentator with the exposure some of the networks offer can defend thos positions. You see a guy last week just go an shoot 5 women because he could not get a date. No one had to inspire him to do that.

Can you imagine the Kooks that have no job recently laid off and distraught with nothing better to do but hurt someone after listening to a crazy radio or news commentator. if for nothing else but the spotlight for a day. They should be sanctioned. But I assume they are too big to fail. Like the banks.

1 vote

#17.1 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:43 PM EDT

I think these "shootings" are clearly horrible, I do not believe they are a 'sign of the times." These sort of things have always happened . . . but I do think this sort of constant drum beat of political ideology is perhaps creating a new phenomenon of crazy because we now live in an age where it is entirely possible to pretty much never speak or hear from anyone who disagrees with you. So, the new crazy assumes he or she is sane because, hey everyone else thinks this way too.

I'm a moderate conservative, I'm assuming you are a liberal . . . but I think we can both agree that Rush from time to time espouses political insanity. So these "core" listeners, the people who take it for "truth" instead of shock radio, these people were crazy before Rush. Rush has merely tapped into existing crazy or steered the crazy towards a political bent rather than just the stereotypical random shooting at the post office.

These people were destined from birth, due to the accidental nature of neurology, to do something fantastically stupid. Rush just figured out how to bang a buck on it.

Statistically, violent crime rises during times of economic hardship, extended high temperature, and the full moon. So you are correct to assume that there will be more violent crime due to economic hardship.

#17.2 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:03 PM EDT

You guessed correctly. I have been a Republican until George Bush was elected. I was appauled at the swiftboating of John Kerry. I earn a very good living and do not mind paying taxes for things that we need. If I will scream we need more prisons, Then I will pay for them. I am pro life, but agree with a womans right to choose. I am against the death penalty in all cases. However if someone harms my son, I will personally kill him. I am for gun control, I think it is overrated, no one needs an assault weaponto kill a deer. I do not think I have extreme views, but I think laws and fees and fines have become a way to make money.

1 vote

#18 - Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:37 PM EDT

I think that the irrational and scared people at the rallys are the public officials. Now that the silent majority is starting to speak up they should be scared as it is time for them to listen to the public and if not be prepared to do so they will loose thier job.

#19 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:38 AM EDT

I agree that they should listen. However, it was the public sho should have listened. they voted for him.

#19.1 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:50 AM EDT

hww:

"I think that the irrational and scared people at the rallys are the public officials. Now that the silent majority is starting to speak up they should be scared....."

I think that the silent majority is watching the spectacle, of Brown Shirt Bullies shouting, screaming, shutting down discussion and preventing fellow Americans from having access to their elected representatives and exercising their free speech rights.

I think that this silent majority will have their voices heard where it counts, in 2012. Just like they did in 2008. The Karl Rove play book of smear and fear tactics and the politics of personal destruction - is all played out, and it won't work for the Republi-cant's anymore. Unfortunately for them; they still haven't figured that one out yet. I guess you can't teach old Dogs New Tricks.

#19.2 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT

funny how now there are groups out to kill, FUNNY! what next will obama blame on us that don't agree with obama? when obvama does not get his way or you speak against obama he will trun it all around and put the blame on the people! another racist excuse! always bring the racist card in, what a jerk! the one thing to do if you don't like obama(which may are starting to do) is to impeach him, IMPEACH obama!

#20 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:31 PM EDT

Funny... This was the same exact argument about Bush, except nobody could call him a racist! (Or they did and were just renditioned out of the country... LOL) At what point do we realize that it doesn't matter what party or race the politician is? Politicians can only be elected in this country anymore if they can raise GOBS of money, and where do you think that money comes from and how much do you think it costs (in returns of course)? Don't believe me? Try running for Congress and see how far you get? I only got as far as the investigation stage.

#20.1 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT

I think Bush was a puppet, We know he was stupid. But I still supported him when he needed it. I did not vote for him, but I had to deal with it and his decisions. Now that he has driven the country in a ditch, you want to hold to new guys fee to the fire when all he is trying to do is make it better for everyone.

Those who oppose it are mainly rich, and have healthcare or old and lied to and scared to death.

1 vote

#20.2 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT

Did you tell President bush that?

#20.3 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT

Proudindependent

Anti-reform healt care= Corporate insurance

Anti-debate= Ignorance

1+1= Caos. It will not happend, the majority of people vote for change and it will happend.

Sorry, Gleen (angry white man); Rush (delusional drugie); Lou (racist to the core)=Compasionated republicans dinosaurs, hipocracy at work.

1 vote

#21 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT

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